NEAL CONAN, HOST:

That is TALK OF THE NATION. I am Neal Conan in Washington. While you seemed within the closet this morning, what did you pick, and why? The ability go well with, the shirt that matches excellent, the denims and the boots? Although you put on a uniform or overalls, all of us make choices about what we seem like and why. Hair says so much. So do equipment. However any message could also be open to misinterpretation. What we are hoping to mention does not all the time come throughout that means.

If there may be been an instance when folks noticed – what folks noticed was once very other from what you intended, give us a decision, 800-989-8255. E-mail us, communicate@npr.org. You’ll be able to additionally sign up for the dialog on our website online. That is at npr.org. Click on on TALK OF THE NATION. Later at the program, we will communicate with columnist Clarence Web page concerning the minimal salary and union organizing. However first Pulitzer Prize-winning style creator Robin Givhan, joins us right here in Studio 42. Excellent to have you ever with us.

ROBIN GIVHAN: Great to be right here.

CONAN: And as with language, are a few of us extra articulate in what we keep up a correspondence with our garments and footwear and hairstyles than others?

GIVHAN: I feel so. I feel some folks, in particular those that are very conversant in being the general public eye, have got a definite roughly eloquence with their taste and they have got an excessively transparent figuring out about how some issues come throughout and they have got an excessively blank figuring out of precisely what it’s that they wish to say.

You understand, I used to be going to indicate that, you already know, you glance in the beginning women over the years, that means from their first month within the East Wing to their remaining month within the East Wing, and typically there’s this development through which they appear higher and higher and extra glamorous and extra polished. And it simply, it comes from follow, it comes from getting consistent comments on how their apparel represents the country.

CONAN: A few of us pick what is blank.

(LAUGHTER)

GIVHAN: I feel a large number of us do.

CONAN: So why is that this essential?

GIVHAN: Neatly, it will be important as a result of, you already know, we’re visible folks, and in particular once we move right into a state of affairs this is overseas to us, we – such a lot of our figuring out of who is in price, you already know, what the protocol is, the place the ability lies, we get that from the visible – from the image. We get that from the garments.

You understand who the boss is in accordance with apparel. You understand who the bride is in accordance with apparel. So all of the ones issues assist us form of navigate the sector, and I feel it is some of the the reason why infrequently once we move, say, to overseas international locations the place the apparel is not essentially Western get dressed we really feel much more off of our sport, now not simply on account of the language, the spoken language, however as a result of we do not acknowledge the cultural symbols.

CONAN: Let me convey some other voice into the dialog. Diana Baird N’Diaye, the anthropologist and cultural specialist on the Smithsonian Heart for Folklife and Cultural Heritage. She’s additionally the curator of the Will to Decorate Program on the 2013 Smithsonian Folklife Competition, which explores the number of ways in which African-American citizens outline themselves via get dressed and the cultural and historic elements that assist form the ones alternatives. Thank you very a lot for being with us.

DIANA BAIRD N’DIAYE: Oh, thanks. It is nice to be right here.

CONAN: And she or he additionally joins us right here in Studio 42. The identify of that program, The Will to Decorate, let us know a little bit bit extra about that.

N’DIAYE: Yeah, nicely in fact the identify got here from anything that Zora Neale Hurston, who’s a folklorist and anthropologist and creator stated. And she or he stated that the need to enhance was once one of the vital essential traits of African-American tradition. I am paraphrasing a little bit bit.

However she was once in fact speaking about how folks discuss and the way folks in African-American communities enhance phrases. However she herself was once an implausible cloth cabinet. She cherished clothes. And we idea that it was once very apt – as clothes is a visible language – to precise that may to enhance, that intentionality in get dressed, that is a part of an expressive tradition and an artwork shape in African-American communities.

CONAN: Do you notice that intentionality right through our society?

N’DIAYE: I feel so, yeah. The item is I feel we are all get dressed artists. All of us have a choice of clothes, and all of us move and, as my just right good friend – a few of my just right buddies – Jane Milosh(ph) says, hi there, you move for your closet, and also you curate your closet. And also you – what you put on is a part of that artwork shape, that assemblage that you just create.

You additionally make a decision, you already know, the place you are going to get your hair minimize and the way you are going to get your hair minimize. And also you additionally make a decision what you might be now not going to put on, what you might be by no means going to put on.

CONAN: It is attention-grabbing, I have a look at you each, you might be each very fashionable, however I am getting message from you each: It is actually sizzling in Washington nowadays.

(LAUGHTER)

N’DIAYE: True, true.

GIVHAN: Neatly, I imply, a large number of the way in which that we get dressed does come from, you already know, issues of simply practicality. However, you already know, I do assume that there are obviously some people who find themselves a lot more intentional about the way in which that they get dressed, and oftentimes they’re known as fashionistas, a phrase that I feel must be banned from the English language.

However, you already know, even the ones individuals who make a declaration of I am not concerned about style, I do not care about style, they are nonetheless creating a option to announce their disinterest.

CONAN: Let’s get some callers in at the dialog. We wish to listen about the ones moments the place you might have decided, and possibly someone misinterpreted what you have been pronouncing along with your style remark, 800-989-8255. E-mail us, communicate@npr.org. And we will get started with Benjamin, Benjamin with us from Milwaukee.

BENJAMIN: Hello Neal, thank you for taking the decision.

CONAN: Certain, move forward.

BENJAMIN: So I paintings as a welder, and so I am continuously dressed in large boots and a bandanna in order that sparks do not catch my hair alight and all that amusing stuff. And oftentimes I will move into the fuel station ahead of paintings, and being Milwaukee, particularly in the summertime, there may be a large number of bike riders. And I have – a large number of instances I have long past into the fuel station dressed in my bandanna, and folks will inquire from me if that is my Harley out of doors.

(LAUGHTER)

BENJAMIN: And I am like no, no, no, I pressure that small little coupe over there. They usually have a look, and they are like oh, I believed you have been the only with the Harley. I am, like, no – and they robotically think I am both a biker, or there are specific portions of the town the place I’ve to verify I do know what colour bandanna I am dressed in.

CONAN: Very a lot.

BENJAMIN: That is some other – that is an excessively dangerous factor that they may think. And in order that’s – but even so, I am about as stylish as a painted rock, so…

(LAUGHTER)

CONAN: Neatly, possibly you make other alternatives while you move out within the night time.

BENJAMIN: Every now and then, I guess. However then I nonetheless generally simply put on denims and only a polo blouse.

CONAN: OK, so making a kind of non-statements.

BENJAMIN: Precisely, a remark via now not creating a remark.

CONAN: All proper, thank you very a lot for the decision.

BENJAMIN: Yeah, bye.

GIVHAN: You understand, the caller brings up an enchanting level, which is, you already know, the theory of getting to pay attention to the colour of a bandanna in positive neighborhoods. I imply, clearly we now have had numerous tales about the way in which through which, you already know, clothes creates one of those a clique or, you already know, a gang or a tribe. And, you already know, because the Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman trial unfolds, the query of clothes was once a central a part of that, and the assumptions that folks make or are not making about clothes and the techniques through which a specific garment, as worn via one particular person, sends a unique message or can ship a unique message from when it is worn via any individual else.

CONAN: Let me ask you once more about that, Diana Baird N’Diaye. We are speaking about with the Trayvon Martin case a hoodie worn via a tender black guy, intended to ship one message to folks, misinterpreted most likely via others.

N’DIAYE: That is proper, and I in fact remember the fact that any individual at the information had stated anything about, nicely, if he hadn’t were dressed in a hoodie. However should you consider it, even though Mr. Zimmerman have been dressed in a unique colour, he would possibly were stopped in the street himself, you already know.

I feel that the item is that there is a distinction between id and self-defining, which is what we do once we curate our closets, and identity. And infrequently that identity is certain, and infrequently that identity is damaging. And we, you already know, we discuss profiling and so forth. That has to do with our first container, which is our pores and skin, on this society.

However I feel it is also attention-grabbing, relating to our analysis, the issues that oldsters inform their youngsters about what to put on. Every now and then it is aspirational. Every now and then it is, nicely, you already know, you have to placed on that go well with in order that you can seem like, you already know, you might be a part of the category you might be desiring to. And different instances it is, you already know, you higher get dressed nicely while you move out of the home as a result of, you already know, in a different way you’ll be attacked or profiled or…

CONAN: What is attention-grabbing, our caller was once pronouncing he needed to be cautious about what colour bandanna he wore in what community of Milwaukee. I used to be simply studying in a ebook just lately via Victor Davis Hanson concerning the days of Common Belisarius within the outdated days of Constantinople, they usually had massive competitions between teams referred to as the Vegetables and the Blues. And naturally now it is the reds and the blues. It is great to understand that we now have come far in a few thousand years.

(LAUGHTER)

CONAN: I am a hat man, writes Nick(ph), on e-mail. My favourite must be my black best hat. I put on it to mention I am distinctive, and I do not care should you assume I glance abnormal. Numerous folks stare. Much more praise me for it. And a few think I am a magician. With out my hat, I am incomplete. That is an enchanting…

GIVHAN: God bless.

CONAN: God bless.

(LAUGHTER)

N’DIAYE: That is nice.

CONAN: All proper. It is attention-grabbing. You discuss clothes as a language. In years as a reporter, I used to be all the time – repeatedly assigned to move get what we name vox pop, the person on the street interview. And the lesson you discovered was once all the time move to folks dressed in humorous hats as a result of the ones have been individuals who have been going to be outspoken and say anything attention-grabbing.

N’DIAYE: That is actually attention-grabbing.

CONAN: I am giving for free my secrets and techniques.

GIVHAN: Yeah, however, I imply, it is true, regardless that. I imply, folks get dressed to face out, and the ones individuals who actually do wish to draw consideration, those who’re possibly to supply attention-grabbing remark or to precise their opinion when a reporter approaches them no doubt don’t seem to be prone to be those who’re, you already know, wearing a white T-shirt and denims looking to fade right into a crowd.

CONAN: Yeah, they are articulate in a single language; possibly they’re going to be in some other, as nicely.

GIVHAN: One hopes.

N’DIAYE: That is proper, in reality it is attention-grabbing, I feel that there also are variations culturally, infrequently, or locally relating to why folks – whether or not folks select to put on issues that stand out or now not. Everybody, you already know, talks about New York and New York black, you already know, and New York black elegant.

CONAN: Neatly, there may be Goths, too, however that is some other factor.

N’DIAYE: Which means the clothes – there may be Goth, that is proper, that is proper. However it is actually attention-grabbing that speaking with a colleague who comes from a Lutheran background, she mentioned, you already know, you put on faded colours, otherwise you put on colours that make you slot in that you do not stand out. And I feel that after I used to be rising up in a Caribbean circle of relatives, you simply, you get dressed to precise. You understand, you get dressed to turn your individuality but in addition to turn your taste and your colour, and it is a other factor.

CONAN: If there may be been instance when what folks noticed was once other from what you intended, give us a decision, 800-989-8255. E-mail us, communicate@npr.org. Stick with us. I am Neal Conan. It is the TALK OF THE NATION from NPR Information.

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CONAN: That is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR Information. I am Neal Conan. On Wednesday the Smithsonian Folklife Competition opens at the Nationwide Mall. It is a massive, unfastened, annual pageant open for the simpler a part of two weeks. This 12 months, some of the main reveals is known as “The Will to Decorate: African-American Range, Taste and Id.”

Nowadays we are speaking with its curator, Diana Baird N’Diaye. Additionally with us, style critic Robin Givhan. We are speaking about how what we put on tells others about who we’re and the way the ones alternatives are formed via the place we are from. In a second we will listen extra about some of the contributors on this 12 months’s pageant, Emory Douglas.

We additionally wish to listen from you, regardless that. If there was once a time when what folks noticed was once other from what you intended when you were given dressed, give us a decision, 800-989-8255. E-mail communicate@npr.org. You’ll be able to additionally sign up for the dialog on our website online. That is at npr.org. Click on on TALK OF THE NATION.

And Diana, you’ve got dozens of contributors who’re going to be at this pageant: barbers, milliners, tattoo artists, jewelers, cobblers. We shouldn’t have time to discuss all of them, however I am concerned about Emory Douglas. Who’s he? Why did you come with him?

N’DIAYE: Emory Douglas is the previous minister of tradition for the Black Panthers. And he grew up in Oakland, and he actually exemplified the visible symbol of the Black Panther – or I must say he created, as a graphic dressmaker…

CONAN: For the ones too outdated to bear in mind, the black beret, the black T-shirt, the black leather-based jacket and denims.

N’DIAYE: In reality, he did not invent the dress, however what he did was once he put it on his posters, on – within the Black Panther newspaper.

CONAN: And sun shades.

N’DIAYE: And the sun shades, after all. And we in fact talked with him in Oakland about growing the Black Panther taste. And he mentioned the way it was once actually an excellent recruitment instrument. To start with, it was once an expression of energy, it was once an expression of id, the black leather-based and the jackets, or even the theory of the panther, the hungry panther.

It wasn’t only a well-fed panther, it was once a hungry panther that he depicted, but in addition that on his drawings and in what the panthers wore, they have been actually pronouncing anything about self-definition and tool that was once extremely essential and helped to recruit other folks to the motion.

CONAN: Did the uniform, because it have been, turn into – how did it incorporate into style past the contributors of the Black Panther Celebration?

GIVHAN: Can I simply ask you additionally – I am curious. Did he create it in order that it was once in direct opposition to the way in which that folks considered civil rights activists, who have been a lot more sedately, respectably, reassuringly dressed?

N’DIAYE: That is a actually just right query. Now as I stated, Emory Douglas did not create the uniform, however he created the photographs that unfold the uniform everywhere. And I – and with the – the uniform was once quite militaristic as it had the beret, and it was once making a brand new remark. It was once pronouncing, you already know, we are not making an attempt to slot in, we are not looking to be first rate in the similar means that people who have been within the civil rights motion…

CONAN: It was once now not an integration motion.

N’DIAYE: It was once now not an integration – precisely. That is – yeah, it was once now not an integration remark. It was once a remark of energy, staff cohesion no doubt, and it was once anything that was once pronouncing, you already know, we are right here, and we are staying, and we are going to make our laws, and we will be able to struggle again if we need to.

CONAN: There was once pushback, as nicely. There have been some folks who have been reluctant to let their children struggle the hair selections, for instance.

N’DIAYE: That is proper. The hair selections was once very attention-grabbing. I take into account being in highschool, as an issue of reality, and my dad taught in the highschool, and so the lecturers felt OK speaking to me. They usually stated: Is {that a} weapon that folks have of their hair, that select with the fist on it? You understand, are they going to jab folks with that?

And I believed it was once very, very humorous. However then just lately I have been studying that there have been other folks who in fact were given suspended or were given arrested as a result of they’d afro selections, and the afro selections in fact have been combs that had lengthy ends, they usually have been – made it more uncomplicated to sweep out the huge afros.

CONAN: Afros, yeah, that have been quite huge in the ones days. Neatly, let’s get some extra callers in at the dialog, 800-989-8255. E-mail communicate@npr.org. LJ’s(ph) at the line with us from Springfield in Missouri.

L.J.: Hi, Neal, thank you for taking the decision.

CONAN: Hello, move forward please.

L.J.: All proper. Is there an idiosyncrasy? What is that this? I’m a highschool trainer, junior top trainer, former school professor, all the ones sorts of issues. I taught, are you able for this, for fifty years. And I wore a (technical difficulties) – I am sorry, I am drained. I wore a tie to my school rooms each day.

Now, I used to be requested a minute in the past did someone misread this? Sure. There were instances when fellow academics, colleagues, other folks – are you elitist? Are you higher than the remainder of us? Are you – what is your deal? And it was once merely an indication of, nicely, I used to be 21 after I began educating highschool categories, and I actually had to differentiate myself from my scholars. They have been 18 and 19.

And I referred to as them via their remaining names, I sought after them to name me via my remaining identify, and I now have a Ph.D., and I sought after them to name me physician, simply as a way of admire and slightly formal, however it was once additionally a gimmick. On a specific day – this was once in highschool educating – on a specific day when there was once Shakespeare’s birthday or Columbus’ discovery or Edgar Allen Poe’s birthday or – I wore that tie, and the youngsters would get issues for figuring out why.

And each scholar was once required to stay a day by day time table, a log, of his study room actions. They usually all started, as I inspired them to, to write down down the tie I had on nowadays so when a controversy got here and stated you may have worn that one ahead of, oh, no, test your ebook. I have not worn that point ahead of. I’ve worn that it ahead of.

Neatly, I am retired now. What am I going to do with 200 ties?

(LAUGHTER)

CONAN: That is an enchanting level. Robin Givhan, the tie for males has been a logo, nicely, each – many alternative techniques.

GIVHAN: Yeah, I imply, by no means has this type of tiny piece of material had such a lot cultural and social energy. I imply, after I consider politicians at the marketing campaign path, they usually move to, you already know, a manufacturing facility ground, they move into, you already know, some VFW corridor, every time they form of are having their second with the folk, you already know, the very first thing that they do is that they take off the tie, they usually roll up their shirtsleeves to be sure that they do not have this kind of cultural image of energy and elitism and the person status in between them.

And, you already know, once we began speaking about – most definitely now it is been nearly two decades in the past, the theory of informal Friday, there was once this feeling that if, you already know, males simply did not must put on a tie to the place of work on Friday, you already know, the whole thing was once going to switch.

CONAN: The foundation of the republic can be in peril.

(LAUGHTER)

CONAN: Russell Weiss(ph) tweeted us: Tulsa is a typically informal town, so I am continuously requested what is the big day if I put on a tie.

GIVHAN: Yeah, I imply once more, it is this merchandise this is so freighted with a way of ritual. And, you already know, when a little bit boy first begins dressed in form of the massive go well with, he has his little clip-on tie, and it is some other ceremony of passage when he learns tips on how to tie the tie. And there are all the time those form of very candy moments in motion pictures if you have, you already know, the daughter tying the tie of her father.

I imply, there may be this nice symbolism with it and an figuring out that this is a signal of one of those reassuring masculinity, and it is also the only position in lots of males’s day by day cloth wardrobe the place they are able to be inventive.

CONAN: Here is some other e-mail, this from Kevin(ph) in San Jose: Greetings, my favourite portray trainer in school, U Wisconsin, River Falls, was once the Jap painter Keiko Hara. She would touch upon clothes alternatives we scholars made and indicate that we had subconsciously made alternatives in accordance with temper. If somebody wore pink, she would say be careful for that one nowadays. Do you in finding, Diana, that that has any relevance?

N’DIAYE: That is attention-grabbing as a result of I feel that it’ll have relevance, however it is very a lot culturally related. It is culturally other in other places. In some puts, it is, you already know, pink alerts oh my God, this one is out for hassle. In different places, pink might in fact be a colour that is related to energy, you already know, the ability go well with. In different places, it can be merely anything that means that any individual is a part of a specific staff.

Ethiopian, within the Amharic custom, put on pink velvet capes once they get married, and one of the vital stunning portions of the rite is when the bride and the groom pop out with their pink and gold capes. And no doubt that sends an excessively other message than the man in the study room.

However – so – after which some folks get dressed deliberately in colours. I do know other folks who get dressed in step with the chakras, they usually put on a unique colour each day, and pink might imply it is Tuesday. So…

CONAN: Watch out what you interpret, in different phrases, yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

N’DIAYE: Sure, precisely.

CONAN: Let’s move to Pam, Pam at the line with us from West Palm Seaside.

PAM: Hello there, guys. How are you?

CONAN: Excellent. Thank you.

PAM: So I finished dyeing my hair in August, and I used to be at a Christmas birthday party in December, so it was once about midway out. And my good friend Luis got here as much as me, and he is going, I do know what this implies along with your hair. He is going, that suggests you are a liberal. In order that was once the message, that my grey hair it sounds as if was once imparting to him. I believed that was once actually humorous.

CONAN: Fascinating as a result of…

GIVHAN: Yeah.

CONAN: …I don’t believe – is there liberal hair dyeing, Robin Givhan?

GIVHAN: I don’t believe there may be liberal hair dyeing, however I feel there are specific markers that we generally tend to go along with political, cultural ideals. And there’s that stereotype of form of the natural-looking, long-haired, crunchy granola, Berkeley liberal, and I feel that is the connection the individual would possibly were making.

PAM: I feel he idea this was once my first step down the slippery slope as a result of I am not very crunchy even though my politics might appear that means.

(LAUGHTER)

CONAN: Have a great time at the street to perdition, Pam.

(LAUGHTER)

PAM: So long.

CONAN: Thank you very a lot for the decision. She does elevate some extent, regardless that. This can be a tweet from Tara Dee Anne(ph): I am coated in tattoos and feature huge gauges. In Tulsa, I am most often requested the place I am from, the solution being Tulsa.

However tattoos is anything that has simply – nicely, I am sufficiently old to bear in mind sailors wore tattoos.

GIVHAN: Yeah.

CONAN: No – this totally modified.

GIVHAN: Yeah. I imply, for a very long time, they have been very a lot observed as anything that was once forbidden and was once anything that, you already know, was once an indication of rise up and subversiveness. After which, you already know, there was once form of the well-known “Saturday Evening Reside” caricature the place they confirmed what occurs to the decrease again tattoo as you form of transfer from 20-something into 50-something and to 60-something, and it wasn’t in particular beautiful.

However the concept was once that, you already know, what was once – what’s observed as rebellious at 20 such a lot of years later is now going to be observed as this quite common factor. And so, now, as an alternative of only a unmarried tattoo, it’s a must to have a complete sleeve. And should you shouldn’t have a sleeve, nicely, then possibly you wish to have the cranium tattoo. I imply, that is the person who’s actually, in reality rebellious.

So the bar will get driven farther and farther as we roughly incorporate – and that’s the reason some of the attention-grabbing issues to me, that the whole thing form of begins to merge and get integrated, and it turns into tougher and tougher to be the revolt.

CONAN: We are speaking with Robin Givhan, who you simply heard, who earned a Pulitzer Prize writing about style for The Washington Put up, additionally for The Day-to-day Beast and for Style. Additionally with us is Diana Baird N’Diaye, a cultural specialist, curator on the Smithsonian Heart for Folklife and Cultural Heritage. She’s the curator of the Will to Decorate: African-American Range, Taste and Id, which is a program on the 2013 Smithsonian Folklife Competition. You’ll be able to in finding extra about that via hitting on a hyperlink at our website online. Pass to npr.org, click on on TALK OF THE NATION. You might be paying attention to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR Information.

And this e-mail we’ve got from Caitlin(ph): I am a 24-year-old younger skilled lady. I normally get dressed anyplace between female and androgynous. I even have extraordinarily brief blonde hair, shaved at the aspects of my head. It doesn’t matter what I am dressed in, regardless that, whether or not it’s a go well with and collared blouse or a get dressed, folks generally think I determine as a lesbian. After I ask them why they believe so, they normally say on account of my hair. Are you able to touch upon how different stylistic alternatives have interaction with our clothes?

Diana?

N’DIAYE: No – nicely, I feel that we discuss anything referred to as communities of favor, and we discuss the truth that, you already know, when folks generally tend to decorate alongside a spectrum, however there are cultural markers that determine us or that have a tendency to spot us with both a philosophy or a specific staff, and since now not handiest are some hairstyles related to androgyny or related to both lesbian or homosexual motion – I am not – and I am not pronouncing that that is the one – those are the one individuals who put on positive types, however there are alerts, there are clothes alternatives that ship messages, they usually ship messages relating to being a part of a bunch, a motion of time, a era.

And so I feel that you are pondering – you might be speaking, once more, concerning the identity and the id there. And as Robin was once pronouncing with the tattoos, that tattoos have been related at first with bikers, with a definite staff of folks, with rebelliousness and so forth, and now they are getting into the mainstream. And so those don’t seem to be arduous and instant laws, however they do generally tend to discuss neighborhood and id.

GIVHAN: Every now and then I feel individuals are slightly disingenuous. I imply, if in case you have, you already know, an armful of tattoos and you might be dressed in leather-based denims and, you already know, a series as a belt and you might be surprised that folks assume that most likely you’ve got a motorbike or you are a little bit difficult or you’ve got a definite swagger, then, to me, that claims, nicely, the place have you ever been? You understand, what…

CONAN: Have you ever checked out a reflect in recent years? Yeah.

GIVHAN: …form of vocabulary, have you ever been in engaged in? So when any individual says, I generally tend to decorate in an excessively androgynous means and I’ve this haircut the place part of my head is shaved, and I am surprised when folks ponder whether I am lesbian, I do not they must obviously be taking that as the rest however you might be dressed in issues that, for an excessively lengthy duration in our cultural historical past, were related to a specific staff. And so I am studying the ones indicators in some way that they have got been learn for a few years.

CONAN: We will finish with this e-mail we’ve got from David: When I used to be in junior highschool, center college now, I discovered a manner remark referred to as an ascot. Any probability of that coming again into Style? Going to move out on a limb, David, no.

(LAUGHTER)

CONAN: Thanks such a lot for becoming a member of us nowadays.

N’DIAYE: Thanks.

GIVHAN: Thanks.

CONAN: And just right success with the Smithsonian Folklife Competition.

N’DIAYE: Proper. Come and talk over with.

CONAN: We look ahead to that. After we come again, we are going to be speaking with columnist Clarence Web page about fast-food employees, the brand new occupy? Stick with us. It is the TALK OF THE NATION from NPR Information.

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